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    Posted: 08/Oct/2009 at 3:32pm
It was agreed that that the numbers of moved headings would be retained after version C8.3 to solve this very problem. All older versions allowed numbers to be changed. Unfortunately we have no facility to keep all the older versions mapped to the current one. It will not happen to any versions later than C8.3.
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Susan

A number of people expressed anxiety about this when version 9 was announced but as I read Terry's response dated 11.43 am on 6 May the relationships between headings and numbers was going to be retained.
 
Terry - what happened?
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Posts: 3 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/Oct/2009 at 2:55pm
We have just found out the hard way that you have reused number codes from version 8 for version 9.  As we use ProClass this means for example that on loading your new table we are now sending Security spend to Retail! 
V 8
192100 Facilities & Management Services Security
V9
192100 Facilities & Management Services Retail
 
Do you have a table that maps from V 8.2 to V 9.1?  
 
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The original two principles of ProClass are to:

1. Target and provide information on high value expenditure

2. Have a hierarchy based around service departments (e.g. Housing, Leisure, Social Care)

The heading of ‘Consultancy’ should really only reflect expenditure of a general nature not covered by other headings. Unfortunately it contained many headings that were also within the service department headings. This was leading to confusion as to where this expenditure should be allocated

As we are not in a position to correct anyone’s behaviour. We have to ensure two things:

  1. that the classification structure is able to provide accurate information on expenditure.
  2. that the headings are easy to apply and not ambiguous or duplicated.

That is why the changes have taken place in ‘Consultancy’. They have not been ‘scrapped’ merely moved to more appropriate place in the classification
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Posts: 30 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/May/2009 at 3:38pm
Draft version C9.1.4 is now available to download from the ProClass website.  Please click HERE to discuss this new draft.
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Surely the right thing to do in these circumstances is to seek corrected behaviour, not scrap a perfectly good and useful set of codes?
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We have looked into the following requests for additional headings:

Information Communication Technology - Please add Leasing at Level 2 - Agree

  • Vehicle Management - I see no category that would fit hiring of vehicles, could you suggest an existing category or please create a new one at Level 2 - Please provide a valid reason why 'Leasing' is not adequate?

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  • Social Community Care Supplies & Services – Adult - Please add Mental Health Services at Level 3 - Agree

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  • Social Community Care Supplies & Services – Children - Please add Advice & Counselling Services at Level 3 - Agree
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    Posts: 31     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/May/2009 at 2:52pm

    The reason that the number headings within the top level of 'Consultancy Services' has been reduced is because it was being over used and treated more as a miscellaneous dumping ground instead of the expenditure being classified to where it was spent . As an example – for some local authorities £ms of expenditure was being classified as 'Consultancy, Housing, Arms Length Management Organisations'. when it should really be have been classified as 'Housing Management, ‘Arms Length Management Organisations'.

     

    Although it is important to be aware of how much expenditure is spent on consultancy this is not as important as classifying the spend under the correct area of expenditure
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    Posts: 31     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/May/2009 at 2:20pm

    We have looked into the request for 'Sports Coaches' and 'Room Hire'. We think that 'Room Hire' is a good additional heading and should be placed in 'Facilities & Management Services' as a second level heading. However with 'Sports Coach' which we assume is a person not a bus, we think that this is already covered adequately in 'Education' by either 'Adult & Further Education Services' or 'Children Services', depending on whether it is adult or children being coached. The reason for this is because if we added 'Coaching' as a second or third level heading we could be opening the doors to lots of other types of Coaching, which would take the number of headings to an unacceptable level.

     

    A new draft version of ProClass will be issued very soon with this addition and a few other changes incorporated, for further comment.
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    Posts: 31     		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/May/2009 at 11:43am
    As most comments to do with numbering seem to want the number to stay the same even if the heading moves to a different top level, this is what we will do. If anyone objects to this or has a different view please let us know quickly. Once all the new or changed headings have been agreed we will issue the numbered version for comment too.
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